Foiled Terrorist Plot Doesn't Help Republicans
Dick Cheney and others in the G.O.P. (which, for all intents and purposes, includes Joe Lieberman), are trying to use the recently-foiled, alleged terrorist plot for partisan gain. According to them, Connecticut Democrats who voted against Lieberman last week are America-hating, terrorist-supporting surrender monkeys. The G.O.P. is blanketing the nation with the message that Democrats -- who keep suggesting that Bush obtain warrants before prying into Americans' private lives in violation of the Fourth Amendment -- oppose policies like the ones that foiled the recent terrorist plot. I suppose that means policies such as Bush's illegal domestic surveillance programs.
Only one problem with that message: The British investigation didn't come across this plot through the wiretapping and datamining of millions of people. The British uncovered this plot because of a tip. In Britain, the authorities don't have to present a court with probable cause in order to obtain a wiretapping warrant. But in America, a tip like this would be all the probable cause a court would need to allow surveillance without violating the Fourth Amendment.
Far from rationalizing the White House's illegal surveillance programs, the thwarting of this alleged terror plot demonstrates why such illegal programs are unnecessary.
5 comments:
If you don't mind me getting up on my soapbox, I want to add that spying on Americans against the law is never necessary. Courts almost never refuse a request for a wiretapping warrant, and when they do, that's because the request wasn't proper. It's worked for centuries and I see no reason to change that just because President Bush says we should. I think when a President gets to be above the law and more powerful than the other branches of government, that's when he becomes a dictator. We can't let this President set us down that road, as Sandra Day O'Connor said.
-Gail (formerly Republican) Williams
Omaha
I didn't see the phrase "America-hating, terrorist-supporting, surrender monkeys" anywhere in that article. Nor have I ever heard the phrase "surrender monkey" used.
...Which might explain why there were no quotation marks around that phrase.
Paul, thanks for the compliment about the tribute to Bob Thaves.
In response to your post:
"Well, if the Pakistani authorities provided info from people in custody, it's a safe bet the interrogation didn't go along the lines of "will you please tell us what you know? You want a lawyer? Sure. Would you like a Coca-cola while you're waiting for him to arrive?" ('cause you can be sure the attorney wouldn't be female). No, these sources of information would likely have been tortured. Not coerced interrogations like the Americans do (sleep deprivation, loud music, barking dogs, etc) but brutal torture. So much for the mantra torture never works (doesn't on fishing expeditions, does when the person is known to have specific information). So isn't that troubling, that this plot was likely broken up because people were tortured?
Go further - if there had been no tip from a troubled Muslim citizen - or if the Pakistani authorities hadn't rounded up some people and gotten the information - how would the plot have been revealed? One wire service stated several of the plotters (UK citizens) placed telephone calls to people in the US. Would this have been flagged by the NSA wiretap program? Who knows. But, absent the tip, it is possible that would be one of the only chances to stop the attacks."
Those are an awful lot of assumptions. All we know for sure is, the British received a tip, they got a warrant to surveil the suspects, and they caught them without breaking any of their own laws. That does not bolster the Bush administration's claims that (what many consider to be) illegal wiretapping and habitual failure to obtain search warrants is necessary to meet the current threats. The way this bust supposedly went down doesn't help their case.
Just to add fuel to the fire (so to speak) regarding the whole "Is It True Or Not" debate about the recent "Brit Bomb" thing, a friend e-mailed me an interesting link to an interesting site that has posted some interesting information about this event.
I have never been to this site before (and so am NOT makeing any claims about the accuracy of their information) but still found the information to be, well, interesting!
Here's the link/site:
http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/
If that doesn't work, I also posted it on the Candorville Discussion Forum (under Links) if anyone out there is interested......
-ZW
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